Alright .. appearantly I started another weirdo controversy by one of my blogs. Look, I am not going to appolgize for it, it IS how I feel.
However, I feel the need to state that when we know better - we do better, or atleast that is MY intent. (for me and my way of thinking) Sure... lets make it appearantly clear that last year I let the kids decide to celebrate Halloween - on thier own, I want the decision to be THIERS - but this year we are not. Again, with the decision being THIERS.
Not a crime, but yet, I feel stuck.
Do I not have the right to carry on my own beliefs whether or not they change ? Do I not have the right to write as I wish on my own blog ?
Look, I have never kept my faith some ill fated secret or tried to not include anyone from any walk of life - as a matter of fact, if anything I think I have tried to welcome anyone and befriend many. I try really hard to not pass judgement on anyone or make people feel unwelcome from being a part of my life or my beliefs. If done, it was done on your own accord and not mine.
However, If this is what was done from my previous blog, I am sorry for that, but like I said I will not appologize for sharing my beliefs and explaining them to the ones who wanted to know.
Just because we don't share the same beliefs or religious ways does not mean that I do not want you to be part of my life or blog. So I hope I have never made others feel this way.
But, I will not change ME, or my faith, in order to impress or befriend anyone else at any time !
Now, if we can't play nice here - just go.. .thank you.
TAMMIE
Did something blow up on the other blog? I, for one, still consider you my online friend. It's fine that we disagree. I don't want you to agree with me. If everyone agreed with me, life would be so boring. I know several other people (in real life too), who agree with you. And that's fine by me. That's why I say to each his own. If what you believe gives you fullfillment and makes you happy, that's the most important thing. Like you said on my blog the other day...it's all about our freedom to believe what we want to believe. :)
ReplyDeleteThank You Chali.
ReplyDeleteYea, the other blog got like way outta hand.... which was not meant to.
Tammie you have every right to express your feelings and beliefs. My opinion is that we should never judge someone for how they believe, even if we disagree with it. Did you happen to read my friend Cheryl's response to my Question of The Day in regards to Halloween? I loved her answer about not judging others on why they believe the way they do.
ReplyDeleteYou had every right to express how you felt about this particular holiday. People asked why you didn't celebrate and then you got attacked for explaining it and that isn't right. While I don't agree with some of your more religious friends on their views on Halloween, etc. I wasn't about to start an argument over it. Nor was I going to attack them or you about it. Everyone is entitled to feel the way they feel. How many times have I told you not to take the things that people say to heart?
ReplyDeleteSunshine - lol. I know ... this time I am not taking it to heart, I am trying to make the best out of it. I do feel that everyone has the right to explain theier veiws whether agreed with or not. :O)
ReplyDeleteKris, I think I did. Was her name 'godpreciouslily' ?? I wrote a comment to her and she left me one as well. If not, maybe I missed it.
No her Multiply name is Cheryljasper. Her response was filled with common sense. I think sometimes people forget what common sense is..LOL.
ReplyDeleteNo one asked you to apologize for your beliefs. Are you asking others to apologize for responding to a post that you had to have known would spark debate? If so, maybe you want to think about who you allow to read certain posts, since some of your friends have different beliefs and strong opinions that may differ from yours. I personally think diversity is what makes the world an interesting place, and think you are 100% entitled to your own beliefs and have every right to share them. Don't be shocked when people don't agree with you and voice their side of it. I don't like to talk politics or religion with anyone, family included, but will voice my side of it when I feel that someone is calling me ignorant for my own beliefs or putting me down as a parent. If you re-read your blog from a different perspective you might see how people could have taken it they way they did.
ReplyDeleteSo true
ReplyDeleteI am just going to say I agree with what kat wrote....No one is telling you you don't have right to your beliefs. But you can't act surprised when some people don't agree with what you said and voice their views back, especially when your blogs seemed to attack the other side and state things that simply are not true.
ReplyDeleteI want to make this clear. I do NOT have any problems with anyone stating thier opinions on my page ... after al that is what I do, what I do not respect is HOW and in the MANNER in which it was done.
ReplyDeleteTonya, I would NEVER have gone to your page and disrespected you or your friends like that. Even if I did not agree with what you had to say. It only adds fuel to the fire. I try to not curse on my page and very rarely will anyone ever see that here, on my blog, so by bringing that to my page, it really bothered me. The kicker tho was that you referenced my children and stated that you hate people like me, but in the next breath said you loved me. I was greatly confused by your statements.
Like I said, I do NOT have any problems with people who come to my blog and voice thier opinions as I do my own, but in a mature respectful way. Maybe it wasn't what you said, it was HOW you said it.... either way it was taken in all the wrong way and hurt my feelings.
I know I am sensitive, but I won't apologize for it, that is me - however maybe the next time either I or someone else have something to say on thier blogs, maybe you should think before you type.
Let's just move on and respect the fact that we have the right to have our own beliefs - whatever they be.
You are still my online and facebook friend.
ReplyDeleteTammie, all you did was post an excerpt from a book that helped to explain why you are NOW choosing NOT to celebrate this pagan festival. You have every right to learn and grow and change what you have done previously. That's called maturing in your faith, and it is good. I grew up celebrating Halloween, and we continued to do so until my oldest daughter was about five years old. Once we learned the truth about it, we stopped too. We are so glad the Lord opened our eyes, ears, and hearts to see, hear, and understand the truth.
ReplyDeleteYou didn't post anything that wasn't true, and anyone who researches the origins of Halloween can see for themselves the ancient pagan traditions that are embedded in it, which included rituals that required human sacrifice. If that isn't devil worship, then I don't know what is.
You never said that people who do participate in this tradition are wrong or anything of the sort. You stated in the blog that you had others ask you why you don't celebrate Halloween, and this was your explanation. People don't have to agree with you, and unlike some of your "friends," you didn't attack anyone's personal beliefs or the answers they gave. That is commendable, and you have NOTHING to apologize for!!!
WHERE did I say I HATE people like you???? I just went back and re read it all and NOT ONCE did I say I hated you or people like you.
ReplyDeleteI am sensitive too and I wont apologize for it either.
Once again...if you are going to put such a controversial blog out there, be prepared for what others are going to say.
I don't care what Kathy says....you were putting down the other side that celebrate this holiday and I'm NOT the only one that heard that.
I don't give a crap about what happen thousands of years ago. YES, a VERY SMALL speck might celebrate it in bad ways but it's ONLY A SMALL part.
For MOST of us...Halloween is FUN, about dressing up for one day of the year & watching our children laugh and be excited about getting candy and seeing everyone dressed up. We have taken a holiday and EVOLVED it as years have went by and made it a GOOD day instead.
I personally feel sad for your kids. The blog from last year they were so happy and excited. They didn't feel FEAR, SADNESS and MEANESS like that article stated. EVEN YOU wrote in that blog how you so enjoyed the moments with your children.
Once again, that's your choice though.
As I sat outside last night handing out candy and watching the little kids all dressed up and smiling and filled with so much excitement I couldn't help but think "how in the world could you and Kathy act lke this is so evil". Parents and kids together, making such happy memories.
I'm 39 years old and in my entire life I can say I've NEVER met ONE person that celebrated it in any other way than that.
That's my side of it and I'm done on this subject.
If you are such a Christain then you wouldn't get uspet that I came back and explained I was not mad at you personally and that I loved you. I knew I had gotten upset and that was my way of letting you know that although we disagree, I still love you.
So whatever.....like I said delete me if you want. It's obvious you only want to be friends with those that agree with you on everything.
I believe that what my mom use to say "If you don't have anything good to say than don't say anything at all". This may be an old saying that holds true for the blogs as well
ReplyDeleteI think its wonderful you posted your views and your beliefs on your blog. I like to read about how different people celebrate or choose not to celebrate different holday's. It is a way to learn and grow with your friends. And no one should hold it against you or make you feel like you did something wrong.
MY EXACT POINT !
ReplyDeleteThe world as one, is NOT the same all over, we are all different , and instead of having others show an ugly side over it we should celebrate the diversity instead. I too, love hearing about all diffeent kinds of cultures and walks of life. If everyone were the same, do you know how boring life would be ???? I wold have nothing left to learn !
Tonya ... OK, I did take the "hate" comment out of context .. as this is what you said "It's people 'like you' with these stupid NOT TRUE beliefs that have screwed up children having fun at this time of year. Makes me sick!"
ReplyDeleteAs I said before, I understand that by posting a blog - a blog of ANY kind, that people can disagree with anything said, I believe I stated that I do not have a problem with this. I have been blogging three years now and have ran into this more than one time. I guess I just didn't expect the brutality to come from you - in which I mean in the WAY you presented it. You really hurt my feelings, and it isn't because of WHAT you said, it was how you said it. I know that you have your own veiws and I can respect that - as a world we are all individuals and that is the way the world is, if it wasn't it would be boring, but I am just saying that it didn't need to be handled as it was.
It really bothers me that YOU of all people think I only want friends that "AGREE" with me, because THAT in itself is just simply not true. I have many many friends that I do not agree with nor do they agree with me ! And you know this !
I have spent alot of time the last few years changing the things in my life I did not like and making or trying to make my life better, going back to how I was raised - and happy. Noo one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. I do not see how my choice to celebrate Halloween or not effects you. Why can you not just try to understand and respect my choice instead of slamming me for it ? I don't believe that even though there are things I am sure I disagree with that go on in your life that I would come to you and display myself in the manner that you did to me.... and that is all I am saying.
Kathy is right in the manner that this was laid upon my heart. Tonya, what you don't realize is that this is how I was raised - what 'I' am most comfortable with. For many years I pushed that back, spending too much time worrying what others would think about me and care ... but see what is different now is that I DON'T.
I am the only one who can answer for me and the way I chose to live when it comes time for judgement. I don't answer for you, nor you for me. I do believe that there is a God and I will have to answer for my wrongs. I will have to answer for the way I chose to bring up my children and they way they chose to live thier lives. I am the ultimate in that choice. I don't know right off the top of my head, but as a child I had to memorize the Bible front to back and back to front, So I know it is in there - but that is not my point.
I am not here to "convert" you or make you believe anything. Like I said before, the choices I make are MY OWN. - and while I respect the fact that you have the right to your choices, I do too ... as to mine as well. PLEASE just lets just agree to disagree on this and move on.
Hey Tammie - well I've been following these two blogs and just needed to say a couple of things. You have every right to your own beliefs. I think my main frustration in these blogs is that sometimes you are such a contradiction of yourself. I know that people's beliefs can change at the drop of a hat and with time, but sometimes I feel like you change yours so quickly and that is why people question you on your blogs. for example: you said in recent years your family didn't celebrate Halloween but yet last year, your kids dressed up and you talked about how fun it was. In another example, you brought up how you hate the commercialism of Christmas, yet I distinctly remember how last year, you were so upset that you would not be able to provide a "good" Christmas, full of toys for your kids due to financial circumstances. Do you see what I mean? There is nothing wrong with changing your mind or changing your focus and I know that you are the a good Christian, trying to better yourself, but I'd hate for you to change who you are just b/c you think it's the right, Christian way to be. Be yourself, do what's best for you and your family, and be prepared that when you put out a blog like this, you are going to get people that greatly disagree with you. Heck, I disagree with a lot of what you say, but I also know that there are things in my life that you don't agree on either. That's what makes us a diverse group of people to be friends with.
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ReplyDeleteThe reason I said that is because it does make me sick. Not YOU personally but the fact that people that feel this way are making this holiday almost impossible for us to have FUN with our children. WHY?? Because they want to push their beliefs to the front and forget ours. I get sick of it.
Because of people with YOUR beliefs, schools now wont let the kids dress up or if so they are so against dressing up like witches, ghosts, etc.... For God's sake it's make believe dress up for these kids. A day to HAVE FUN! We did it as kids and it never hurt anyone. I think it goes both ways, if we are to respect others beliefs then they need to show some respect our way back and it doesn't happen that way.
Because of people with YOUR beliefs kids are getting doors slammed in their faces when all they are doing is havng fun. They mean no evil by going door to door for candy.
So if I have a right to my opinion then that's my opinion on it.
Sorry if you don't like the way I say my opinion but THAT'S ME! Accept me for me or take me off your friends list. I'm not changing for YOU or anyone else either. Just like you aren't going to change for anyone either.
Agree to disagree....I do that.
However if I feel I'm being downed in your blog & that is what I felt & so did others, then YES I will stand up and say something.
Once again if you re read that blog you can see where I am coming from. You didnt' just state your beliefs. You STOMPED on ours and tried to make it sound like we are bad people that don't know any better because we do celebrate it.
You were WRONG for doing that.
And your right, us all being different makes the world an interesting place. I have no problem with that....but don't judge me for what I do either.
ReplyDeleteWorks both ways and your blog judged others.
As for your friend Kathy. All she did was try to stir up more crap and I have no time to deal with someone like her.
May I just say, you can disagree with a persons beliefs in a respectable way. And personally, not really wanting to start something but feeling obligated to say something, I felt like you (Tonya) were being disrespectful when you commented on Tammie's last post. You can disagree without curse words. She's free to feel and believe as she see's fit and shouldn't be attacked for it. This is my opinion of course. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I do.
ReplyDeleteJust for the record, I stirred up nothing. I was simply defending my friend's honor because she was being attacked unfairly.
ReplyDeleteJen - I do see your point. Thank You. I meant by some years past as in not last obviously. And it did take only a year for me to change.
ReplyDeleteI see the contradictions of last Christmas too, I was thinking that not too long ago when It was my blogaversary. I was sitting re-reading some posts and noticed how I wasn't making much sence. I just remember last year was HORRIBLE though and was glad it was over - I suppose that might have been why.
And just for the record, It don't bother me at all for people to post thier opinions, as a matter of fact I welcome it - it helps me learn, however I just don't like when it becomes a personal attack to me or my friends. :O)
Mercy, after reading the blogs I think it's fair to say this is a very touchy subject. Good thing Christmas is coming - the season of good cheer:)
ReplyDeleteLOL Lisa - that is until I mention that we don't "do" Santa Claus anymore either..
ReplyDeleteI agree!!!
ReplyDeleteHa ha. I remember that you don't celebrate Christmas with Santa. It is one of my favorite holidays. We have a birthday cake for Jesus every year and celebrate in many ways. There are so many Christian traditions that come out of the Christmas symbols - I just love seeing Jesus at work through the sharing and reaching out to each other. Of course we don't need a holiday to do that though:) Here's to the joy of the season!
ReplyDeleteAmen Lisa :O)
ReplyDeleteAmen Lisa ! :O)
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